God, the Gardner That Got Right Down INTO the Dirt..

An excerpt from the Plough and article entitled, "The God Who Descends"
“All manmade religion stands in opposition to the gospel. It is an ascent toward the eternal, perfect God. Up, up – that is its call. God is high above, we are down below; and now we shall soar by means of our moral, spiritual, and religious endeavors out of the earthly, human depths into the divine heights.”
—Emil Brunner
“Divine heights”– yes, that’s where most of us want to be: that sphere of bliss where all is well and pure and good and holy, where all that burdens and weighs us down is lifted. Isn’t this what religion and spirituality are all about: finding God and our eternal destiny above and beyond the prison of fleeting time and suffering? Don’t we all long to be grasped by the infinite, the absolute, the perfect – to gaze upon the true, the good, the beautiful, ­unhindered in peace and glory?
We may indeed ache for paradise. But the gospel, the good news in Christ, is that God lives somewhere else. The true and living God, the one in whom we live and move and have our being, dwells and reigns in the dark depths of our existence, here and now.
The greatness of God’s majesty is not in the realm of the eternal. God is Immanuel, “God with us,” and even more: he is one of us! The Word became flesh, and in the flesh God’s glory is revealed (John 1:14)
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My comments..
My how Christianity has forgotten that. They have people trying to climb up to a god in the sky, and trying to become like God, While all along the beauty of the Gospel is also this.. GOD IS US.. as if the Creator ever feared it's Creation and what it would do, how absurd.
The Pharisees were afraid of the Lepers, so the people put them outside the gates, no one dared touch them,. . for they were unclean..
Most of the religious Pharisees of Christianity, are afraid to hang with or talk to the crowd, the average Joe at the bar, the Nancy at the strip club..or the drug addict on the corner, if they did it would be more like a kamikaze Kirk Cameron attack, go tell these people what kind of piece of crap they are, then try to get them to say some quick words of I am sorry god for being such a piece of crap, I want to be like Kirk.. NOT..
It would behoove Kirk to look into the faces of all these people and see Christ.. the Living God, that is here in human flesh. and have no attitude, that I am better then you.. Come up to my god, there you shall find rest.. yea sure.. Kirk..
I found rest when I experienced God (Perfect Love) in this old man's flesh.. this old guy, that I am sure, the Pharisees can find a lot of fingers to point at me..
i am glad to know, that love didn't have to put on a paper mask, dress in a full contagion protection gear outfit, glove up, walk down here and come up to me, and say, "OK I touched you. and now believe that and I won't send you to hell. and then fly back up into heavens from his perfect throne and go.. "OOH I touched Joe,,, now I have all his cooties."
He who knew no sin, BECAME SIN.....FLESH, HUMAN, joined it' self with it's Creation.. and never was afraid.. see PERFECT LOVE...cast out all fear.. so many yet fear a god, who is afraid of their cooties.. UGH..
I hope one day they will get it right. but for meantime.. Whenever I want to visit God.. I am not going to any building behind four doors.. because you see.. I would prefer to go, and be with all my friends that the pharisees think have the SIN COOTIES.. , and that's where Christ is.. right there IN THEM..and me..
oh yes, he goes with the people to their churches.. in them as well.. but they never knew where he was living, and they go there hoping he might come down.. onto their building, perhaps their steeple will quit leaning and stand up straight should this god, touch their special neck of the woods instead of the guy down the streets church, why that would make them special wouldn't it.. nope.. he doesn't because the dwelling place of perfect love is not in some building made of brick, stone, mortar and wood.. . so week after week, they cry out, O' come holy Spirit.. that's a bit of too much of denial too me, of Christ come in the flesh.... who do they think is in them... they have no idea..
Stephen got his ass stoned for telling those religious people that in his day.. hey, Mr. Pharisee, where you going there is no god dwelling in that building of yours... whoops.. pissed them off something fierce..... they bloodied the poor dude to death with stones.. but that's OK with Stephen he looked up and saw what PERFECT PEACE was... and passed with complete confidence of love in his heart and peace of mind.. the only way to go...
May more Stephen's arise in their parking lots that have the guts to speak out in love. to those poor souls, still trying to climb up to be with god, by showing up at the place they think he lives.. you would think they would eventually, wonder after so many visits. how come he is never home..well some do, and they at last, quit go home. and live life.. and one day, it hits them.. there is another presence here with me, in me, as me... what's that..I heard a voice.. "Welcome home, my child."
-selah

What About People Saying I am God, or Christ, Is It Wrong, Right, Does It Matter, What?

I want to start this article by saying I am not attempting here to discredit anyone of their "belief" or how they see themselves, or others, whether scripturally or not scripturally, I simple want to open a conversation where some people that are at least asking question about this, that aren't out right condemning it may have their questions answered, not by me, not by you, but perhaps just simple discourse, dialogue, not a debate but for everyone to feel free to discuss, how, why, where, they have come to their conclusions, and to fairly bare assessment by others of their view.. and them to do the same for others..

Christians believe that calling the Creator of Heaven and Earth, with the title “Father” is only seen in the New Testament. Some believe and teach that God Almighty was distant to His people in the Old Testament, but came into a ‘Father-Son’ relationship only after the appearance of Yeshua (Jesus’ true name). Are these claims true? Was calling God by the title “Father” a new teaching?

Let’s look at the evidence in the Scriptures

Jer 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a "father" to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our "father;" we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our "father," though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

Deu 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy "father" that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

1Ch 29:10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our "father," for ever and ever.

Jer 3:19 But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My "father;" and shalt not turn away from me.

Mal 1:6 A son honoureth his "father," and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one "father?" hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Pro 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a" father" the son in whom he delighteth.

Psa 103:13 Like as a "father" pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

Not only is Yaweh known as the “Father”, He calls His people as “Children”

Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Exo 4:22,23 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Deu 14:1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Calling God as “Our Father”, is not a new idea only seen in the New Testament.

So, what did Jesus bring new, to that, in his calling his God, Father?

If one follows the story closely and reads it with eyes open, he points to a new deeper understanding of "this Creator. ie: Father.

In John 10 Jesus presents Himself as the Good Shepherd and, in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). It was a bold statement—one His audience found quite audacious—and it reveals much about who Jesus knew who he is.

Five key observations can be made concerning this passage. First, Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of "being equal to Him."

Jesus did not claim to be merely a messenger or prophet of God, but of equal power with God.

Second, His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.”

Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered,

“For blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God” (John 10:33). If Jesus had been lying or deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous. In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God.

Third, Jesus referred to Himself as God’s Son and to God as His Father (John 10:36–37).

Did he use Psalm 82:6. to justify himself with them for calling himself equal to God, actually it was a bit of insight we should get in understanding a lot of the Old Testament there.

Those that supposedly Yahweh is calling "gods" are really those who are really the rulers of Israel, who like many pagan nations gave themselves that title.. (that might help a bit with your reading the old testament as well) when you Son of god, or sons of god.. it's not talking about Jesus, pre-existent in those passage but about the ruler or elders of Israel.

The passage reads,

I said you are "god"s, you are all sons of the Most High.....

but pay close attention to this next part of this verse....

BUT YOU WILL DIE LIKE MERE MEN; YOU WILL FALL LIKE EVERY OTHER -RULER." -

Wham Bam.. i know often that passage has been misapplied.

Fourth, Jesus claimed that that Father sent Him: “the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world” (John 10:36).

In this statement now, Jesus claimed preexistence in the Father’s presence. No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before; yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham (John 8:58).

Fifth, Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him; He never said they misunderstood His claim to be God.

John 10:38 notes, “Even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus was not correcting a misunderstanding. They understood what He said perfectly.

He was correcting their willful rejection of Him.

Colossians 1:16–17 affirms Jesus’ same teaching: “In him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God.

In summary, Jesus claimed to be one with the Father as part of a larger argument to note that He had existed from eternity past, lived in perfect oneness with the Father, held the same power as God, and was sent by God the Father’s authority.

Now, how do we come to a conclusion that we are One with the Father, not as the PRE-EXISTENT ONE,. but yet, having equality with God..

The one verse, seems to be disputed in translations, now some it reads, Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God..

Now this verse translated like this, seems to be clearly telling us we too should have that same mind. But does it... REALLY.. what is it really saying..

Now lets look at it in another translation:

(NIV)

Your "attitude" should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature God. did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

BUT

made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness, and being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a Cross.

Therefore God EXALTED HIM TO THE HIGHEST PLACE and gave him the name that is above every other name, that at the name of Jesus

EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, .......TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.

What is this a claim to our pre-existence, our being God the Creator come in human flesh? Yes or No.

Well it does say, this.. our attitude. must be indicative that we do know our very nature is God.. but do we exalt that, do we power over others with that, insight that we are as Peter writes, "PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.".or do we make nothing of it.. and become nothing and take the nature of being a servant to our fellow humans.. even as he did?

But note, Jesus was in VERY NATURE GOD, we are partakers of the Divine, which means we are partakers of Him who is declared Lord, Jesus the Christ.. His life being ours, ours being His, it is in that that we share, being able to say, " I and my Father are One."

Now here is the tricky part folks, If we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, and We are One Spirit, One Body, being members of his flesh and bone, then who are we?.. Well we are not Jesus, the pre-existent One, God, become flesh, but we are Flesh become Spirit in Christ alone.. and who is he equal to:

So there is no getting around it, something wonderful has happened beyond just the Old Testament Father/Son precept.. what is it?

Jesus prayed, Father I pray they may be One as you and I are One.

Was the culmination of his work to make that possible or remind us we too are One with the Father?..

Well who is the Father? If it is God, well no man has ever seen God, nor can any man see God..or that verse is a scratch... John 1:18

"No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us."

So who is the Father.. well we are not told who the CREATOR is, but we know WHAT the Father is. and the FATHER IS LOVE, and all those things that Jesus Character exemplified, peace, compassion, mercy, compassion, etc. tell us that The True Father is not Yaweh, "a god" that merely considers us his creation, and gets angry, mad and hates his children at times, this Existent Existence of All things, is Christ the Lord. The Anointed One.. so how is it, we are One, with God? Are we?

ARE YOU ANOINTED ONE BECAUSE OF YOUR UNION IN THE ANOINTED ONE?

of course you are.. so now tell someone WE, not I, but WE are the Christ, and watch them go bonkers.. just like Israel did, when he called himself Son of God and was not one of Israel's rulers..

Now here is a little more stickiness for you..

(Exodus 33:20)--“But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

(John 1:18)--“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

(John 5:37)--“"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”

(John 6:46)--"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”

(1 Tim. 6:15-16)--“He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”

Yet, the Old Testament says these things as well to contradict all of that..

(Gen. 17:1)--“Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless;"

(Gen. 18:1) Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”

(Exodus 6:2-3)--"God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”

(Exodus 24:9-11)--“Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”

(Num. 12:6-8)--“He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses?"

(Acts 7:2), "And he [Stephen] said, 'Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran

Now wait a minute, I am really confused now!!!

Well it seems that has often cause a lot of confusion because it was many of these same things I have been talking about that a bit of the argument began to develop, over and become, what is called the "TRINITY...

Read that line again..

I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”

Wow.. i am really confused now, are you? it couldn't have been Jesus, because he wasn't declared Lord until after the Cross, and Resurrection.. or was it.. and if in the "Godhead" (a word put in there in Romans , which the word really is Divine) as they call it.. there is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all co-equal.. co-existent.. who is GOD ALMIGHTY and who IS LORD?

This can get real deep.. do you want to take the red pill or the blue pill.. well choose.. and perhaps we'll come back and examine this more later.. i think it is worth the discussion all of it, since we are hearing people say I am god, or I am Christ, etc.. so, all your comments to this are welcome, and please don't attack anyone.. keep the first verse in mind, whether it's translated right or not.. there is another one, that says consider others, greater then yourself. , basically be humble with your brothers and sisters. and I know this is difficult to do at times. but let me close with this one, that might give some foundation to those who SEE themselves as One with God, and those that see themselves as subservient to a god../

Colossians 2:9

For in Christ all the fullness of the DEITY lives in bodily form, and YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN FULLNESS "IN" CHRIST, who is the HEAD over every power and authority.... read on..

Does that mean I have all fullness of DEITY IN BODILY FORM...well you would think so from reading that..

Let me add, without, any of us being able to read the Hebrew or the Greek, we are all running into a huge.. wall of being able to discuss this with any kind of being emphatic about it.. and even if we get some people in this discussion who may have some Greek or Hebrew language skills... remember we still have NO AUTOGRAPH TEXT... only copies... but for sake of discussion please feel free to use whatever translation you have, and it doesnt have to be scripture you use either.. but if you, me or anyone of us, are going to make any claims or statements that comes from scriptures, then don't jump around, attempt to keep it in context of what it written there as much as possible.. (though) we all take some liberty with it. I do,

I would love to hear from people, on translating like Dr. Michael Jones, perhaps, Michael Harding, who I think has a grasp of Konia Greek, and any other language expert that can give you a good, reading of any verse i have used in this article. if they do, I would just like a straight translation of yours, and no comments. just to give the readers an opportunity, to draw conclusion from the text you give..

I am writing this as friend to someone who has questions regarding this, Is their two or one, Father and Son, or Father/Son, or Father plus Son, plus Holy Spirit, and are we God, as some people are calling themselves?,, and perhaps, if those aren't their questions they may have the liberty to put them in the comment section below,. and others may follow from there..

Your input is welcome. even to what is written already here. Thanks..

Does Science Negate Faith?

I look across the sky, but it takes great faith for me, based on what Science tells me, that there are 55 billion universes like our own. I can only take that in by an acceptance of what is told me, not by experience, or flesh and blood seeing with my eyes..
So faith yet remains for those who even claim science as their religion.
Faith is simply that which we all yet have of the mystery that yet remains incomprehensible to us all.
A universe and universes, that none of us, have seen with our very own eyes.. or experientially traveled through in this body to experience it..
I simply see that mystery as all Compassionate Life, what we can see and not see.

Jesus did not come to tell us WHO God is, Jesus came to tell us WHAT GOD IS..... ( for we have had so many erroneous ideas) that have led to disrespect of life, our own and others.. and for this very small marble in which we all live, called planet Earth. Our Home..
Perhaps, we all can understand that message if nothing more.. if we did, would it make a difference? I think so.

Perhaps that is merely a choice, but it was a choice that I couldn't make on my own, for I have seen far too many not make that choice, and we can see the results of that today, in our cultures, society and world, with all the violence of life.  That- whatever it is, affected that choice somehow in this life that we have and somehow drew me to a new paradigm of what life is really about.. Call it God, or whatever you choose, but the story at least the outline of the life this man Jesus lived, and his ability to not resist evil with violence even to the own shedding of his own blood by those that are yet violent, gives me hope, that I too can live my life in such a manner as well.
That total selflessness that becomes only true self, when all of life is included as One Life.. One Existence, and none stand alone.. and nothing stands alone.. independent and by it's lonesome self. not even.... God.. or a god..

j.w. black 2015

Is Jesus Your IKON or Your IDOL?

LIFE IS GOOD,
I DESIRE THAT WE ALL HAVE IT.....
and.....
LIVE TO SEE WHAT A JOY IT IS...

There is no life in hate or violence.. ever.. it is the road to destruction...
Choose the narrow path.. Choose Jesus as the Icon.. rather then the world (idols)..
Jesus AS "the image" of the invisible THEOS (Colossians 1:15)
Theos is the common word for God in the Greek New Testament. It normally refers to the true God. However it can also refer to false gods and even humans. The context must determine how it is to be understood.

Is Jesus, just the image of some "guy in the sky" SEPARATE from humanity. NO!

He is the TRUE HUMAN.... do you understand.. ...
The true human that walks in the Spirit of Love and Peace.

The Father of all Creation is within us.. dwells with us, and manifest as us, when we listen to "THE VOICE".. the holy SPIRIT within.. and Jesus is the centrality of understanding how the Spirit appears.. within the Sons of Man..as the Sons of God..

Full of mercy, full of compassion, loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, kind, doing good, trusting, always gentle and living by self-control.

I know that last one, SELF-CONTROL, has been so misinterpreted by the church.. and violent toward others, and negates everything prior to that.... all the prior fruits display, what that control is.. ... that's it.. end of story..

The church (as an institution) has created a list of rules (law), "outward authority,". a bunch of moral relativism, based on what group you belong to, instead of reliance upon the inner authority of the Spirit.. and that's why it negates all the prior fruit that is dependent upon the Spirit.. and they call those things, their varying list, law keeping they try to do....... self -control... "they miss the mark.".

Just like the world systems do..

"Capeesh"

Mose remains their IKON and not Jesus..

When Jesus once again becomes the IKON, then only will any community of humanity be ONE and display to the world what the Creator/Creation is and like.. who we really are.. the light of the world.. even as Jesus was...

"True Humanity..."

Who is the Christ?

A friend of mine wrote the following which seem to upset some Christian paradigm apple carts.

"Belief "IN" Jesus, taken to it's true intent BY Jesus, will bring one to the truth that...The "Christ" is NOT one man named Jesus. The "Christ" is every man, fully awakened and alive."

To which one person responded to her as follows:

I really can't understand you! Are you in the New age movement? Please I'm being honest not rough? Sorry in case I offend you!

I responded with this:

Using the word CHRIST because so many do think that was his last name seems to confuse people in the church a lot because they don't understand the concept of Spirit Anointment. The very word CHRIST means "anointed one" and Christian means "anointed ones" yet if you say I and CHRIST are One or the same life that was in him is in me. that just totally blows their minds. yet they call themselves Anointed One's... go figure.
All this is due to some very impoverished and crap teaching especially in western Christianity.
"God became Son of Man (human) so that we would realize we ARE SON OF GOD."

I like to think of it as the Creator is not outside of its creation but is in it all, especially the creature Man.

Jesus was fully human not half man and half a supernatural god.
He was fully human relying on, listening to the Spirit of all life in him even as we can do if we but listen and realize our lives are the same as his," the CHRIST anointment ," ie; the holy Spirit (God, Father, Source) in which he lived by and through is no different then the same one in our lives as well.


As another friend wrote as well, is important to recall:The culmination of Christ's work was not the cross. It's our own rebirth, when we awaken to that same divine presence within, in the manner and likeness revealed by Jesus. The old (self) passes away and our New life begins.


As some of us call Pure Consciousness.


Atypically, Orthodox Christianity, says that Christian means someone who follows Christ.


Sorry, they have it ALL WRONG... and this ignorance has led to the most powerless bunch of individuals, the church, because they have defined to "follow Christ" as to follow him into man's legalism and man's ideas of  what is justice.

Fine, be a follower, but if you do, then one must truly follow everything about his WAY of LIFE which was, non-violent, non-retributive always, ever merciful, always compassionate, who was always about  his concern for people. especially the disenfranchised by religion and the political systems. and he had little concern for man's rules, or moralism that led to being like the Pharisees. 


Taking the two combined, The Truth, that I and my Father are One, BY THE SPIRIT as well, just as Jesus was, then combining, his life as he lived it, means that my life will not be about judging and condemning others, but will be a life that is full of mercy and compassion, and who forgives and  loves those who act as your enemy even to the point of loving those who would have you killed.


Wake up... Christianity has been in the pits, ever since, it became an Institution rather then an Organism of The Creators, passionate, compassionate enjoining itself to all that is Created, and especially that one little creature, called humanity... if your going to have a god, you best realize that GOD IS LOVE... and not everything else that men of made of the One who holds all things together even now..


Don't get me wrong, there have been many like myself that have rose up and are even now, saying the very same thing.. but church history should clearly show what was done with them and too them every single time.. Jesus being the first.... that religion and politics (the violence of men) MURDERED....and many have followed since....


IT IS THE NARROW WAY, my dear friends and family...


"What is of the flesh is flesh, and what is of the Spirit is Spirit..."

Is the Christ A Person?

I have just been viewing some videos by a guy named J.C. Teft.

He has written a book called, The Christ is not a person. The Evolution of Conciousness and the Destiny of Man. Here is what it says on Amazon about the book.

Why are we born? For what purpose are we here?
The longer we are unaware of what is taking place within us – of what drives us and what can liberate us from the bonds of egocentric behavior – the longer we allow what the Buddha called the sorrow of life to hold sway. The sorrow of life is the sum and consequence of our total identification with the world of self.
The word Consciousness means something more than what the mind of self thinks, imagines, or conceives. Awareness in Pure Consciousness is an awareness that is beyond self. Contrary to traditional thinking, the so-called unseen, unknown world is nothing more than Consciousness of which we are unaware. Unawareness in Consciousness has been evolving into Awareness in Consciousness since before time began.
The author of this work comprehensively sets forth a meaning of ancient scripture that likely has not been advanced to you before. He demystifies ancient legends and myths so that the essential truth of ancient teachings shines through. Using ancient scripture as a guide, he insightfully explores a growing conscious awareness that has emerged within mankind over the last few thousand years.
A must read for anyone looking to discover the deeper meaning of ancient scripture beyond a literal interpretation of the words.

Many of the things he says, I resonate with, as a Christ One, Panentheist. which is simply a label description or concept of my view of life, consciousness, wholeness, or whatever name you apply to it.
In his introductory video on the mind, he discusses things, that I a few years ago, had already given much thought to, our human development since we were children to our progression to growing older. How and why we developed all these concepts of good, and evil and even a "god" ruler type or concept in our minds. I think our first idea once we recognize a SELF, is because of our parents authority over us this becomes our model as to what we think god is like. A god that rewards certain behaviors and punishes others, and a god that must be appeased.
Before that time, of an existential self acknowledgement, we had no sense of self, or other. We just were. and there really was no other.. (our parental authorities).

For me, Jesus the Christ provides us the necessary concept that leads back to that awareness of innocence and acknowledgment of all things are IN the Father, and I and the Father are One.
Thus Jesus said, unless you become like a little child you cannot enter the kingdom of god.

This conscious waking up, brings all things to One, we see the entirety of all Creation and all men, as One of form of the Source and with a new mind, that isn't really new, but is the very source of all of our existence...we awake to this reality, which goes beyond even conceptual words that can only point to this truth.

If there is a Creator, the Creation could never comprehend all that this Source of all things, is, but One can become aware for the first time in their lives, that the self, and the other, are non-existent outside of this Source of all things.. There is a sense of union, oneness that comes about with all of life, an understanding that ALL LIFE IS SACRED... and leads to treating it as such. No division, no separation among the creature man, that we are biological the same, and have this same enablement to be brought to consciousness of the PRESENCE OF THE SOURCE IN ALL THINGS..

Yes, I believe Jesus lived, breathed and brought forth a teaching and lived his life in such away, that he alone, points to the full extent of the Source, and what the source conceptually is, as a Father in direct relationship to how we treat one another. That within all things, is interwoven perfect love.

This awareness with in Jesus was his anointing, or the very meaning of the word, Christ, the anointed one or anointed.. He was the first within the Semitic group of individuals to fully explain the Father or Source of all existence, beyond previous concepts of a god, they held most of the time of an angry, vengeful ruler who needed blood to be satisfied, through sacrifice, who rewarded those who do good and hates those who do evil. That rather the Source, the Father, the Creator of all things,  makes no judgement of it's Creation because unlike man, god is not a concept, made in our image.. it is we who have judged and judged in error out of that self existent separation we thought we were..  Rather the Father provides, is and brings forth all of life existence which really is One expression of this Glory.

This glory being unveiled as the Son, the singular Christ One, that unveils who we all really are..
and that this same Spirit, holy Spirit, is the very life, that gives all life substance and sustenance, that was with, in and of the Son, is the same Spirit within and of all of us.
As he is in the world, so aren't we. As John wrote. "
"He"  being simply a conceptual word, being written by a man who grew up in a patriarchial religion and group. The actual word in the Greek is autos and can be translated as he, her or even IT..
Paul makes these matters clear to the pagans (those who were worshiping conceptual images of what many thought a god was)  on Mars Hill..  In Him/Her/It, we breathe, we move, we have our existence, yes, we are the children (offspring)  of the Divine..
There is only one source of all existence.. and we and all things, find that our very existence is that source projected as all of Life.. We are not a self, but we are an ALL, simply conceptualizing that we are separate beings.. from that which all things were created for and through.. the Christ.. or holy Spirit or what some would call GOD.. the originating energy, power from which all things flow..

So is Christ a person, well yes and no.. Christ is the life force of the Source within all of us, that anointing. the very Spirit in which we do breathe and move and have our singular existence.
Yet, this Christ or anointing was fully upon Jesus the man, in that he pointed to what the nature of all things, were.. Perfect Love, and love that gives life to all things that exist or ever will.. and that same life that was in him, is in us as well.. So we may live this life of compassion and oneness, when we are awake to THE PRESENCE OF ALL THAT EXIST... as ONE EXISTENCE...there is no you and I, except in our mistaken identities..

Just saying.. blessings my friends.. always.. love and peace to you..

The Debt of Love versus Monetary Debt

I was just sharing on Facebook, with someone who wrote in response to an OP there :

"While you all are taking in these so-called 'families', just want to remind you there are over 50,000 homeless vets out there, and more American families that are homeless. We can't even take care of our own. Until we do, they need to go to a Muslim country if they are really fleeing poverty. Saudi Arabia was set up to take millions, but not a single one is there. You have to admit, it's fishy. I'm all for compassion, but it seems our compassion is misplaced."

So I responded with my thoughts at the moment, and something I personally have learned and had a change of mind about.. as follows:

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"Once again,, there goes, that old, group psychology, "We cant even take care of "our own,." well we can, jf  WE (the I) can choose to do so and we still can in someways and many ways if it hasn't been outlawed.... but shouldn't we be saying, "Why cant we take care of EVERYONE AND ANYONE, because they ARE OUR OWN...

Until we see ourselves as ALL others.. we are not yet awake... imho

 and we will never have peace on earth.. at all.

Just what would happen to America today, if all these other countries said, we are going to take care of our own, and screw you guys,... this chart shows how much America owes other countries right now.. not everyone is in debt to us.. we are up to our own necks in owing others..

http://chartsbin.com/view/549

How Much Money Does America Owe Other Countries?

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I am reminded of what Paul did write, when he said, "owe no debt to anyone.... but the debt of love."

...maybe one day we will all leave the love of money that buys power, and exchange it for the POWER OF LOVE.."

Leaving Facebook, Back to Blogging

i am sick of the critical, often superior attitudes of so many people. i actually think it has become,"you show me your ego and i'll show you mine."

I personally find writing is therapeutic and enjoy sharing my thoughts. they're my thoughts, you don't have to like them, get on the train with mine or anything like that.
i'm not looking for fans, followers or a group that would crown me king, call me their teacher or guru...

These are just my thoughts about whatever right at the moment.. but they can change.

i call this the "interior monologue" because that is what it really is, "stream of consciousness"
and it's mine. read if you like, if not, don't. that simple...its for me, anyway..

thus my blog address is wow wee awe